Founder TalksDeep Read梁文锋 × 暗涌Waves(于丽丽) · Jul 17, 2024
Liang Wenfeng: Inside DeepSeek — China's most radical tech idealist

Why it matters
The only in-depth text interview with DeepSeek founder Liang Wenfeng — and one of the most globally cited texts on Chinese AI. He candidly states: DeepSeek's moat isn't model parameters, it's 'an organization and culture that can innovate'; 'closed-source moats are temporary'; 'the real gap between Chinese and US AI isn't compute, it's originality vs. imitation'. ~8,000 words — essential reading for understanding Chinese AI's foundational logic.
Full Interview
Key takeaways
- 'We didn't mean to become a catfish — we accidentally became one' — how DeepSeek V2 triggered China's LLM price war.
- Moat = team: 'Closed-source moats are temporary; we deposit value in our team, forming an organization and culture that can innovate.'
- Hiring criterion = passion and curiosity: 'Many people's desire to do research far exceeds their concern for money.'
- 'The real US-China AI gap is originality vs. imitation — if this doesn't change, China will always be a follower.'
- 'Innovation isn't entirely business-driven; it also requires curiosity and a desire to create.'
Interview Info
- Speaker
- 梁文锋 × 暗涌Waves(于丽丽)
- Source
- 暗涌Waves / 36Kr
- Venue
- Exclusive interview with Anchorage Waves / 36Kr, July 2024
- Date
- Jul 17, 2024