Yao Shunyu: Training Models at Anthropic & Gemini

Why it matters

A 4-hour interview with Yao Shunyu, who trained models at both Anthropic and Gemini: first-hand comparison of the two top labs, his method for technical prediction, and why he says 'heroism is over' — AI research has entered the industrial era.

Key takeaways

• Lab comparison: the training culture differences between Anthropic and Gemini.
• First-hand experience: real engineering details of frontier model training.
• Prediction method: how to systematically forecast AI's trajectory.
• 'Heroism is over': AI research moves from individual heroes to industrialization.
• Advice: choosing between big labs and startups.